We dont want skin jobs on our planet anyway!

Acording to all released versions of the BR title scroll, reps werent outlawed on earth until a the Nexus 6 models "bloody muniy". So that means that the first 5 generations were legal. So then their have only been Blade Runners as long as they have been illegal. So then how long have the Nexus 6 been around? Allso when Bryant is breifing Deck he speaks of the 4 year lifespan as a "new" feature. Now I'm assumeing that this isnt something the 6 model has always featured. Because if BR's only hunted nexus 6 and they always had this feature then Deck would already know about it right? Another question I dont see being discussed is just how long was ol' Deck "quit". Most of the Reps he's hunting in the film are at least 2-3 years old. That means that the feature is at least that old, so one then has to assume that it would benefit BR's to know as much about the reps a.s.a.p. So I'm saying Deck has been retired for quite a while at least 4years.
Ok so I'm re-reading the "bible" and I ran across an interesting fact that goes towards a line of thought ive been pondering lately. That the Workprint featured a sort of definition of reps. This definition though not a history by any means stated that reps in general were outlawed not simply the "newly" fashioned nexus 6.
So what say you guys am i completely off base. Am I making some sence or do I need to shut up : )

if i get what your saying, u basically mean how can deckard have experience retiring previous nexus models, when the blade runner unit wasnt created until the nexus 6 phase, which was when replicants were banned from earth.

i think that maybe they had an "operating license" much like in A.I., and when the license runs out, or they run away or something, they are void, and its open hunting season for the hunting of the reps.

i dont know if i was clear enough

A chance for....

...some mischief

Here goes - there were no 'runners before because Deck is a Rep and only thinks he's a retired Blade Runner!!

There you go - I said it again. How long has it been since I last said that?

BTW, in my sig (that I've had for a few years now) I have made a deliberate mistake that no-one has ever pointed out to me. Deck's Blade Runner licence is B26354 - I put an 'R' in there to signify that he is a 'Replicant'. Tee-hee.

Perhaps you did spot that, but were too polite to mention it

i noticed that, but in the movie, deckard says two different 26354, "deckard, B26354" and "blade runner, 26354 (leaving out the B) perhaps the B (or BR) standed for (B)LADE (R)UNNER unit? tha'ts what i alway thought anyways, and i thought you though of it that way too.

but if deckrd has false memories of retiring replicants, i think he would understand he's a replicant when bryant has to explain the whole enxus 6 thing to him, when supposidly he's been retiring them for years now.

or, nexus 6's have been on earth for a little while, and then the mutiny happened. all the nexus reps on earth were retired, except for the remaining ones that have escaped retirements. deckard and the BR unit were formed to track down these rogue nexus 6's. in the middle of it, deckard gets tired of it and retires. all this taking place in about a year. maybe it's just the nexus 6's with memory implants that bryant is briefing decakrd on, and the BR unit was formed with the release of the nexus 6 WITHOUT memory implants (Nexus 6 A= no memory, Nexus 6 B= memory)

im tired of analysing movies. its fun and all, but you guys take it a little too seriously, and it destroys the whole purpose of the movie. it changes the whole experience. sorry if i sound harsh, but its kinda the same way when your watching cartoons, and bugs bunny drops an anvil on someones head, and you go "pff, yeah right. that's physically impossible". DUDE, its a cartoon. its just supposed to be fun.

anyway, enough stressblogging (new word, heh). maybe ill feel better tomorrow.

Citizenchris
That's a very good question, you know? I have always tought of that, and since long I think the Intro saying "...bloody mutiny by a NEXUS 6 combat team..." is a little mistake, and it should read "bloody mutiny by a NEXUS combat team" ...as that would make much more sense, considering all the points you already mentioned. Good post. There are some things like that one, that I think about often but somehow I always forget to post in the forums. BTW, welcome [back?] pal...!

I think the purpose of these boards is so we can talk and analyze one or our fave films. I thought thats what this whole thing was about. How can someone who posts on here quite frequently question why we would want to analyse Blade Runner. Because I analyse this film dosnt mean I like it any less. Quite the contrary...I concider it my favorite film ever. I just like talking about it with you guys and seeing what you have to say. Perhaps my views have never been discussed and perhaps they have. Honestly I just love all of it...BR and the fact that alot of people ...lets call them a "cult" love tallking about this movie...lets call it a ..ooh i got it, a "cult movie". Dont know about you but im a card carying member myself.

O0ops,chris... I'm pretty sure your last post was intended to be somewhere else. That's OK,tho'... $h!t happens. BTW - Welcome aboard,"citizen"

Well if other people are out thier needlesly questioning why we analyse BR then yes your prolly right ..but indeed it was intended right where it was posted.

i dont have a problem with the analysing, just its getting a bit much lately. i thought these forum were to discuss blade runner stuff, not analyse every bit of the movie. i guess its ok to analyse, but when you start analysing deckards footsteps and realise they dont match his pace every cut, you're getting too obsessed, lol. (maybe that's a bad example). when you become like the star wars kid and reinact the end fight scene, take a break from blade runner for a while, lol

i guess im just a little annoyed because im happy with the movie as-is, and now with all these discussions and analysis (plural?) its ruining the whole experience every time i see it because we're finding flaws in the storyline and whatnot. anyway, i digress. go on with your analysis (plural) dont listen to me. i can choose not to read if i really wanted.

I think I've said this before - but the problem with Blade Runner is there's isn't enough of it. The result is that every scene of the movie is then picked apart in the hope that a new angle can be found. In effect, fans are creating their own versions of the movie based on their latest 'discoveries'.

I do agree that at times it can become tedious. I have edited and posted articles for Bladezone that do go into far more detail about aspects of the movie than I would ordinarily be interested in pursuing. But just because my obsession with the movie doesn't run as deep as others, doesn't mean I want to discourage those people from continuing with that level of detailed investigation.

Personally, I wish someone would produce another Blade Runner game - that would give the subject a whole new lease of life...

Even when I'm always ready for the geekiest deepest levels of analysis, when watching the film, it totally sucks me in and I forget about it all. In those moments, I _am_ my loved movie. Yeah, I know it sounds silly... but it's true!

I agree completely! I love how the subject has gone from my original intention to an analysis of how much analysis should go on lmao! If you can, please scroll up and to my original post and tell me what you think. I dont think i'm being over anylitical...honestly I think what I have discovered as one other fan agreed was that the producer tacked on scroll in every "released" version of the film is mistaken in saying that its the mutiny of a nexus 6 that made reps illegal on earth. When one discovers (from Future Noir) that it was originaly just going to be reps in general that are illegal it dose change quite a bit about your perception of th film. Either way it goes with my theory that BR is a perfect example of abstract mistakist cinema....this isnt a bad thing by any means. Its just when so many aspects of a film are vague as they are in BR it creates this beutiful zone of interpritation for the audience. One that exists on these very boards. Just the other day a young man/woman discovered a woman lying about in a random bathtub at the end of the film....this might seem minor, but its actualy quite chilling really. One can imagine Ridley saying "F?&*# it" and thowing that in.
Oh and to anyone who dosnt like the idea of analysing BR. Instead of picking on us fanboys why dont you forward your complaints to the writter of "Future Noir" and the editors of "Retrofitting Blade Runner"

Well if other people are out thier needlesly questioning why we analyse BR then yes your prolly right ..but indeed it was intended right where it was posted.

My mistake,citizenchris. Methinx I was staring at my C MPUTER SCREEN for too long last night. lol

If you can, please scroll up and to my original post and tell me what you think.

But I already did! You scroll up to my first reply to your original post!

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D'oh! Wait a minute... you were saying that to me or it was directed at
Deckard BR26354...?

I agree that sometimes people tend to analyze things a little too much and we need to say to ourselves, "Dude, it's just a movie!" But as for this thread, I think it's not over analyzing something from the movie in particular, it is more speculation about what goes on "outside" the movie, in the BR universe in general.

Here's my take on this. This is all MY personal speculation:

I think initially, replicants were allowed on Earth. It makes sense to think that they did well here on Earth (as servants, pleasure models, workers, and soldiers) and someone decided they could be useful Off-World.

Nexus 5's could still be allowed on Earth (in 2019). Maybe they have synthetic looking skin (kind of rubbery or yellow like Data from Star Trek---hence the slang "skin job"--perhaps even yellow eyes or something) and so the N-5s could be easily be recognized by humans. Moreover, they were devoid of human emotions and were relatively mundane in intelligence. They do not pose a threat.

Now comes Nexus 6 (I?d say maybe around the year 2011). Visually, it?s biologically identical to real humans (organic skin), have the capacity of being at least as intelligent as their creators, and can display basic emotions. Why give them emotions? As a worker/labor: develop ?pride? in what they do and be more productive. As a soldier: perhaps develop patriotism for their faction and be more effective combat machines. As a pleasure model: well...if she (or he) is really ?feeling? aroused instead of simulating it, knowing this would definitely enhance the other persons experience.

At this point, N-6?s didn?t have expiration dates, but shortly after being introduced (4 to 5 years later), some began to display erratic behavior, which eventually leads to the N-6 bloody mutiny (year 2015?). Tyrell Co. realized that it?s because of the basic emotions. N-6s are now made with a 4 year life span and are declared illegal on Earth because 1) it?s high risk because Earth contains much more people than any given Off-World colony. 2) Earth has far less surveillance / check-points to keep them in place.

Now maybe all the old N-6s were recalled and retired. Maybe some escaped off world. But I think Roy, Pris, Zora, and the others were probable the first batch of N-6s with expiration dates (created around 2016).

In 2019, Tyrell creates Rachel with implanted memories in an effort to eliminate the problem becoming erratic and potentially dangerous like the previous N-6s models.

As for the Blade Runner unit: I think these may have existed long before Nexus 6s. They are a ?special police squad? unit, so they would handle the more dangerous, and more delicate cases, and whenever something needed to be handled with discretion. The Nexus 6 problem would appropriately fall into their jurisdiction.

Well, I?ve said enough. That?s my personal take on all this.

btw...Welcome to the forum, Citizenchris!