Lt. Columbo:
I felt a hint of "final truth" when you said ""What does it tell you? I know what it tells me"
To me it sounded kind of pretentious, like "it is so obvious that only a stupid would not note it"..., and I can't talk for ridleynoir but I risk to think it sounded the same way for him, and I think that might have sparked the rookie comment. (BTW, being a rookie on anything is not a bad thing... nobody's born knowing.)
Of course this is a free speech/exchange place, and we all get along very well. So, to get past thta, on the kinship issue, let me put it in these terms... You say he says something, and you back it up with a reference. OK, but I disagree that he says anything, and I just can't produce the counter-reference you are asking for, because contrary to the way you use your reference to show that you're not the only one who hears kinship, I surely won't find people making comments about things they don't percieve as existing in the film... I won't If they don't hear anything there, why would they say anything about it? Do you find comments about the meaning of Bryant wink to Gaff when he makes the origami chicken? Not, because he doesn't wink to Gaff (though someone could say that he did wink, but that happens when the camera is in the close up of the paper chicken, so we can't see it... you get the idea.) m. So, to answer you:
I can't show you documents mentioning
that he says something different. I can point again to the existence of lots of documents, some of them very extensive and exhaustive, that
don't mention Roy saying anything in that moment. If it was that clear that he utters kinship, it'd be a well known fact. I'd say that if someone actually did something, it should be easy to find plenty of proof (if it exists) that he did, rather than absence of such proof, or even evidence that he didn't do it. (To me, just listening carefully to the scene is enough).
That's what I was pointing:
The lack of many more comments and analysis about "kinship".
I only find natural that if you want to get more light on this, you should try to get to the most reliable sources, and since the absence of the kinship line in the scripts and transcripts is not enough for you, (I'm not implying that it
should be), I suggested you to give it a try with Rutger... I mean, he's the only one who can tell for sure... Since he's a very nice and, if you're lucky, accesible gentleman, I think you can. I won't do it, because I'm not interested on it... I never heard "kinship", and even trying, I don't hear it... I hear something that sounds a little like that. Now, if you contact Ritger and he says that "kinship" is real, I'll accept it, and wonder why so many of us never noticed. (And of course, I'll thank you very much for helping me to know more and better about my favorite film).
And about the ranking (number of posts), I agree that it doesn't give any measure of knowledge, authority or anything at all. In this
Ranks thread:
http://bladezone.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=862&start=30
I already made some comments about what I care about resetting my rank (something that, in fact, already happenened twice, when the forums were moved).
OK. I hope you stay and become a regular, Lt. Columbo. Really, I mean it.
Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:42 am 
Happy Holidays for you too, and: