What does Roy say?

yes. says so in future noir. i love how rutger is so creative and not only gets into character, but changes the script and story to suit his character. that, to me, is a sign of an excelent actor. not looks or whatnot that the oscars go for today

(like seriously, frank oz shoulve at least been nominated for best actor when he did yoda)

indeed, Rutger is quite the renaissance man

Anyone ever notice what Roy Batty yells to Deckard after he catches him in mid air, on the building's ledge?

He yells, "Kinship!"

What does that tell you? I know what it tells me.



Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.

Anyone ever notice what Roy Batty yells to Deckard after he catches him in mid air, on the building's ledge?

He yells, "Kinship!"

What does that tell you? I know what it tells me.



Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.

It says that you are a rookie...because is not what he says...but it does sound like it. It was just sound spliced into the movie to make him sound like he was exerting himself with his speed and streangth to pick deckard up...you are doing what they call "matrixing" hearing something intellagable out of something unintellageable. Think about it as the sounds Karate practitioners make when punching or like a weightlifter when he is lifting. Rutger was making all kinds of sounds during his encounter scenes with Deckard that were freaky as well.

Read the 13th paragraph down.


http://www.filmsite.org/blad4.html


I guess other people are hearing it as well. Can you show me anywhere documented that he's saying something different?

Research.

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Never I have known from any source that he says this, neither have I heard (when watching the film) Roy uttering such word in that moment. I concede that one could mishear that grunt noise he does as "kinship", though. What I hear is a grunt, coming out of someone who IMO suddenly realizes that his strength is abandoning him faster than he thought, demanding more from his body (and, maybe making him doubt for a fraction of a second if he is going to be able?) to lift Deckard, something he would've been capable of without the slightest doubt in normal circumstances.

And just because in some place it says Roy says "kinship", it doesn't rule as final truth. Some of us here at BladeZone are absolute BR fans, and even when I (we?) don't claim to have the final truth on anything --there would be no forums, then-- I think we know a bit about the movie. If the kinship thing is true, why isn't it documented in a lot of other places too? (books, scripts, transcripts, websites, etc.) This is not the first time that someone comments about the kinship noise, and in the previous times, as far as I recall, it never got much support.

And since you like to research, you might want to write Rutger an e-mail via his website asking him... he's the one who could tell for sure if that was a noise or a word, huh?

Doesn't he say, "Gotcha" ?

I don't mean to upset anyone by voicing my thoughts about a movie I've loved for years, nor am I questioning anyone's superior knowledge. I just thought this was a free exchange. So far I've been called a rookie because I have an opinion different from the consensus, and I never claimed to have the "Final Truth", nor do I think because I'm a "rookie" it means I know less then you guys. Isn't that silly. A number next to your name doesn't make a person an absolute authority in any matters.

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I just simply ask you, can you show it documented anywhere else that he's saying something different?

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And since you like to research, you might want to write Rutger an e-mail via his web site asking him... he's the one who could tell for sure if that was a noise or a word, huh?


I think it's only fair since I've shown documentation and you haven't , that maybe you might email Rutger and post and let us know, huh?

I'd like to be part of this forum, but I hope that we can all express ourselves without reproach.

And thanks for the welcome

Sorry about the "rookie" comment...I really meant to have the smiley emotocon( ) next to it...I was just busting your balls. A bit of hazing I guess. All of us here get tired of the "new big revelation" that proves deckard to be human or not...we have all heard it before and even when it comes from Ridley himself we still argue about it. I didn't deny that it could sound like "kinship"...but after listening to it, seems like "gotcha" as well...it sounds to me like he just took a big breath of air. Also saying "kinship" seems an out of context thing to say at that point. Also if he did say it it could be argued that roy was feeling "kinship" with Humans at that point as well. If the only reason he spared Deckards life was that he thought he was a replicant as well that would make Roy kind of "racist" and less human...thus defeating the point of his redemption.

I've just replayed that scene - he doesn't say anything - he grunts because he's just taken the strain of Deckard in the hand that was previously giving him so much trouble that he had to stick a nail in it to stop it seizing up.

Also, the subtitles don't state anything at that point.

Also, I played it back in both French and Italian - they did an excellent job for the foreign language audio, including reworking all the background audio such as police radios. The French audio left Rutger's original 'grunt' in and the Italian audio took it out altogether. This tells me that it wasn't a scripted word. Also, Rutger has said that he thinks Deckard is a human, so he's unlikely to have improvised a word that points to the possiblilty of Deckard being a replicant. In my opinion, it would seem an odd thing to say at that moment in time.

I think this is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Thanks for the responses.

This is for Deckard 26354:

You know, I think that Ridley Scott and Terry Rawlings were mainly responsible for putting this "Deckard replicant thing" out there. I mean, they were working closley together editing the film, and came up with the effect of Deckard's glowing eyes to give a subtle hint to the audience of Deckard's origins. Being the director, this is Ridley's interpertation, and it was he the director, the artist, using the medium of film to express his interpretation of the story to us. I want to quote Paul M. Sammon here...

But couple Gaff's tinfoil origami the the very private vision Ford has of a live unicorn in the BRDC and ask yourselves why Gaff chose that particular calling card. Then recall the scene where Deckard told Rachael he knew of her private memory concerning the spider out her window.
The only logical conclusion is an inescapable one: in the Directors cut, Rick decard is a replicant (Future Noir, pp:364).

This is for Ridleynoir:

If the only reason he spared Deckard's life was that he thought he was a replicant as well that would make Roy kind of "racist" and less human...thus defeating the point of his redemption.

Ridleynoir, I found something you said confusing. How could the act of saving Deckard's life make Roy seem "less human and racist" , he's not human at all, he's artificial? I don't think it defeats redemption. He saves him because he identifies with him.

Recall Roy's sarcastic comment to Deckard in the apartment battle scene. He says, "Not very sporting to fire on an unarmed opponent! I thought you were supposed to be good. Aren't you the good man?
"Aren't you the good man," why make that emphasis on man? It seems a little weird.

Recall this exchange between Gaff and Deckard:
Gaff: You've done a man's job, sir! I guess you are through?
Deckard: Finished.
Gaff: It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?

Again an emphasis on the word man. The placing of the word man seems to me unnatural in both quotes. Simply they could have said "Aren't you good." and "You've done a good job." There is meaning behind this.
Also, Gaff goes on to ask, "I guess you are through" and Deckard replies "finished". We should ask, why does Deckard correct Gaff on his choice of the word through. What does the word "through" imply? Gaff immediately responds with It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? Touch?!

It's impossible to watch this movie passively, it forces us to think... gotta love it!

Well, over the years I've come to look at it like this - in a movie that questions 'what it is to be human', where the on-screen 'villains' are indistinguishable from the 'good guys' and where one of the 'non-humans' doesn't even realise it, I think it's perfectly acceptable to question everyone's human status - after all, a recurring theme in many of PKD's work is 'what is real?' Some of his main characters turn out to be non-human and they don't even know it.

The human status of Deckard is indeterminate - in the end it's a personal preference. I'm actually pretty tired of the debate. I've read all the arguments many times and nothing convinces me either way. The same 'proof' is recycled year after year with no further progress.

Let's put forward some new theories:

How about this one - none of the characters in Blade Runner are Replicants.

Or this one - all the characters in Blade Runner are Replicants.

Or this one - the entire Blade Runner universe is a computer simulation.


PS - I'm kidding.

Well BR26354, maybe your right... maybe I'll just dial up a 451 and zone out and enjoy some Buster Friendly and his friendly friends.

Well BR26354, maybe your right... maybe I'll just dial up a 451 and zone out and enjoy some Buster Friendly and his friendly friends.

A very good idea indeed.

just dont dial 1138.....wanting to conform to numb-minded standard and want to work, be productive, and be happy.