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Do Replicants Feel Pain?
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I've been wondering this for quite some time. I thought maybe not, but then I thougth maybe so. In the movie Blade Runner there are at least two examples that show they might not feel pain, 1. Leon dips his hand in the vat of liquid nitrogen and picks up the eyes, showing no emotion towards the cold. Another is where Pris sticks her hand in the machine that's boiling the eggs, she pulls it out and throws it to Sebastion where he flinches, suggesting that it's hot and showing Sebastion, as it seems anyway, that she doesn't feel pain like he does. But then there's a very big moment towards the end where Roy's hand starts to cramp and he uses the pain from a nail through his palm to distract his hand from dying.<BR><BR><BR>Anyone?
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The expressions on Zhora's face as Deckard shoots her tells me one of three things:<BR><BR>1. To quote Roy Batty, "That hurt."<BR><BR>2. The expressions are the result of an emotional response to being shot (anger, fear, sadness), but not necessarily a reaction to physical pain.<BR><BR>3. The expressions are due to a combination of the two factors.<BR><BR><BR>I believe that replicants had a higher tolerance for pain, but I do believe that they (at least the latter Nexus models) were capable of experiencing physical discomfort. After all, if they couldn't experience physical and emotional pain, just how could they be "more human than human". Pain is a concept that is often used to define humanity. Supposedly, a capacity to experience, but endure, pain is a sign of humanity. Being rendered immune to it is not.
It is likely that they have both a higher resistance to feeling pain and a higher tolerance when they do feel pain. Ultimately though, it seems clear that they do feel pain.<BR><BR>However, the above doesn't make them that far from human. People who have trained can tolerate quite a lot. For instance, after years of training, being stood in ice almost naked for 20 minutes is possible, so standing in an ice house for maybe ten minutes wearing some good clothes and coat should be quite reasonable for quite a lot of humans. Chew worked in there for hours, so obviously needed a heated suit.<BR><BR>Oh, and that is unlikely to be liquid nitrogen. Something with a much lower freezing point than water, but not liquid nitrogen.<BR><BR>Question - have you ever picked a boiled egg out of boiling water? Probably not. Neither have I. But before we attribute superhuman powers to this, let us ask exactly what effect dipping your hand in boiling water for 4 or 5 seconds would have on an ordinary human. I'm afraid I don't have an exact answer to that and am not about to try for myself. Boiling water does hurt a lot. But just how much would you have to increase skin resistance to be able to tolerate it for a few seconds? Would a human be able to reach that point? I think perhaps so.<BR><BR>If you gather these traits together by means of genetics and intense physical and mental training (and perhaps increases in the release of certain chemicals within the body) and you get replicants who are the best of human, and can certainly do things that maybe you and I cannot, but are not really superhuman.<BR><BR>Just my theory.<BR>
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Yeah, well Blaine is a nutter.<BR><BR>But I was referring to another nutter who has specifically trained himself to withstand cold. When I say standing in ice, I mean in a cubicle like a shower cubicle, filled up to his neck with ice cubes!
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I would suggest that since the original purpose of the replicants was combat (Synthetic Freedom Fighters) their tolerance levels for pain would be set considerably higher than that of a regular human.<BR><BR>_________________<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><IMG SRC="http://www.deckard.worldonline.co.uk/filez/BR26354.gif" BORDER="0"><!-- BBCode End --><BR><BR>Richard Gunn<BR>News and Content Manager for Bladezone<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A><!-- BBCode End --><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Deckard BR26354 on 2002-06-02 13:59 ]</font>
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More than just combat, although some are specifically trained for that purpose. The overall development imperative seems to be that of colonization - i.e. creating the "Off-World" habitations that Humans then move to. So they need to be tough, obedient and tolerant of extremes.
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Assumption: Although it is unpleasant, physical pain is an essential component in the survival mechanism of higher species. With results similar to fear, it typically prevents repetitive damage or destruction to our bodies, such as lacerations or burns. For example, once we cut our finger with a knife or burn our hand on a hot stove, we try to avoid those scenarios again because we do not wish to repeat those harsh and tormenting sensations we call pain. Pain also alerts us to a physical malfunction or failure within our bodies when we would otherwise have no way of detecting an internal injury, disease or ailment. Pain, promotes a continuum of wellbeing to the living tissues that compose our bodies and is, therefore, good.<BR><BR>Thesis: If there is no possibility of damage or destruction to living tissue, there is no need for any sense of pain in a living being.<BR><BR>Proof Text: When addressing the question "Do Replicants feel pain?? one must also address another burning question (pun intended): "Do Replicants experience severe physical trauma and/or body tissue damage when submerging their extremities into boiling liquids at opposite and extreme temperatures? For example, at sea level liquid oxygen "boils" at -297? Fahrenheit and tap water "boils" at +212? Fahrenheit (ouchhhhh!). In my absolute favorite movie of all time, Pris unhesitatingly plunges her arm almost elbow-deep into what is supposedly boiling water and Leon casually reaches his hand wrist-deep into some sort of boiling, deep sub-zero solution that evokes a panicked admonishment from Choo (?Cold!?Those are my eyes!?Freezing!?) and neither of these Nexus 6 Replicants appear to sustain any physical trauma or tissue damage whatsoever, not to mention the complete absence of pain!<BR><BR>Conclusion: I propose that the body tissue of Nexus 6 Replicants is so durable that a sense of pain, as human beings know it, may actually be unnecessary for their survival. Besides, should a Nexus 6 Replicant ever sustain an injury or other damage that is beyond repair, an off-world resident could simply trade in his or her damaged Replicant for a newer model (?This was not called execution. It was called early retirement?)! Nevertheless, in a fit of genius that he is famous for, Dr. Tyrell undoubtedly built a pain-sensing factor into all Nexus 6 Replicants? brains and neuro-systms as a fail-safe "just in case" function, thus making the sensation and degree of pain experienced by Nexus 6 Replicants purely optional and under their conscious control ("More human than human is our motto?"). In other words, Nexus 6 replicants could actually control when and to what extent they feel pain depending on the type of situation or crisis they may be experiencing at any given moment in time. Example: Roy Batty may have simply ?willed? a specific level of pain to be sensed when he pushed that dirty old rusty nail through his hand (?Unless your alive, you can?t play?and if you can?t play??)!<BR><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Mercer on 2002-06-13 02:14 ]</font><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Mercer on 2002-06-15 10:38 ]</font><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Mercer on 2002-06-15 10:41 ]</font>
Mercer
Now that you mention it, I've always felt that Pris shows more anger than pain when convulsing, you know, like when a child bursts out in anger/tears from frustration... But, no doubt, she is in pain too.
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